Sean Mize with Thomas Chappell - Kickoff Exceedingly Podcast

Sean Mice: 00:00:21

Well, Sean Mice here with Thomas Chapel and Thomas with Breakthrough Strategies Group.

Sean Mice: 00:00:27

I am absolutely delighted for you to be here for, for kicking off our new exceedingly podcast and video series.

Sean Mice: 00:00:35

I, I'm just.

Sean Mice: 00:00:36

Thank you so much for being here.

Thomas Chapel: 00:00:38

Sure.

Thomas Chapel: 00:00:39

I'm happy to do it, Sean.

Thomas Chapel: 00:00:40

Thank you for inviting me.

Sean Mice: 00:00:42

Yeah, I'm really, really excited.

Sean Mice: 00:00:44

And you know, the concept with this podcast and with this series is, is really to talk with Christian entrepreneurs and authors and speakers and strategists like yourself and kind of talk about how we incorporate our Christian faith and our Christian life, more than faith, our life into the business that we do and, and possibly touch people in, in a, in a Christian way.

Sean Mice: 00:01:09

And I, when as we were putting this together, there was a part of me in the back of my mind that said, you know what?

Sean Mice: 00:01:15

I want Thomas to be the very first person I interviewed.

Sean Mice: 00:01:19

So, folks, without further ado, Thomas Chappell of Breakthrough Strategies Group, and I'll tell you what, one of the things, there's two things that I really, really admire about you, and the second thing is your work ethic, the work that you've done for our country, the work that you do with teams, team building, corporate strategy, all of those things.

Sean Mice: 00:01:38

But I'll tell you the thing that I admire the most is how you're a rock solid Christian and really, it's a tough market out there.

Sean Mice: 00:01:45

It's a tough secular market out there.

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And, and you bring your faith to work every single day.

Sean Mice: 00:01:54

Would you tell us a little bit about that?

Sean Mice: 00:01:56

How did you, how did you get to the place where you, you could start bringing Christ into your business every single day and just feel real comfortable about it?

Thomas Chapel: 00:02:05

Well, I think I have a disadvantage compared to most people, and that is I've, I know what the intelligence tests say, but I've never felt like I was that smart.

Thomas Chapel: 00:02:25

So I've always felt like I had to really lean into God and, and all since I was 12.

Thomas Chapel: 00:02:34

I mean, it was at 15.

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God told me that I would be going overseas and that I would be fighting in war, but that I didn't have to worry that he was going to protect me.

Thomas Chapel: 00:02:45

So if you can imagine a 15 year old saying, okay, God, just send me wherever, you know, But I have to say that it wasn't exactly like that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:02:55

I wasn't as brave as David.

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I was kind of like, okay, God, I'm willing to do it, but you have to walk me all the way through it, because I was not a person that likes to fight.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:11

I can fight, I can protect People, I just didn't like to do it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:15

And if you can imagine, I came from a Mennonite background, so.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:20

So you can really imagine how that they felt and you know, how my parents felt as I kind of boldly told them what God was going to be doing with.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:29

And, and, and their feeling.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:33

So, so fast forward into the 80s.

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It did happen.

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God walked me all the way through it and I came out with.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:41

I came out of it a better person.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:45

God put.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:45

God used me in the ways that he wanted to and we came through, which kind of led me through all of the rest of my life.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:53

You know, most people say that they set a goal and objective and they kind of go for it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:03:58

I kind of have a general notion and I'm kind of moving toward it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:02

And God unctions me the way.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:05

Turn right.

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Turn left.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:06

No, keep going straight ahead.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:08

Now climb over that log because I need you to learn something, you know, and do all of that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:15

So, so that's really how it kind of started.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:19

And I just never got out of a.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:21

Out of the.

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Got out of the way of doing that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:25

It.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:25

It just kind of became.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:26

What did you say?

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:27

You do it long enough till it becomes a habit and then it becomes a lifestyle.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:34

You know, that's.

Sean Mice: 00:04:35

That's beautiful.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:36

So, so that's how it kind of started.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:38

And I would love to say I'm some great strategist, but I begin every job with prayer.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:48

You know, just like you and I when we start projects together and do stuff in the past, you know, it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:04:54

It starts with prayer.

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And God opens my mind to, hey, did you see this over here?

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:00

Or hey, did you see that angle over there?

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:03

And, and that's how it works.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:06

I mean, there's no mysticism about it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:07

I mean, Tom is just a tool for, for the Lord.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:12

And that's, you know, that's no, that's no brag or swag or anything like that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:17

That's just.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:18

That's just where it kind of ends up being.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:21

I've always said, and a lot of the folks that I help, I.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:26

I appreciate the chance to serve you today, you know, and I follow that in a lot of my emails as well as my communications.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:34

And that's really.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:35

Because I don't do this for Tom's sake.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:39

I do this because what I do is my offering back to God, entrusting me to do it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:05:49

And when you don't think it's for you and you think that it's for him, it kind of changes your view and focus on, on that so hopefully I kind of answered that question for you.

Sean Mice: 00:06:03

Yeah, thanks a lot, Tom.

Sean Mice: 00:06:05

You know, that's just, that's really beautiful.

Sean Mice: 00:06:07

And, and, and here's the thing, is I hear you saying that, you know, I go, wow, you know, that's my dream, to walk in that every single day, right?

Sean Mice: 00:06:15

You know, wake up in the morning, go, hey, I'm going to turn right and I'm going to turn left.

Sean Mice: 00:06:19

And then, of course, the day falls apart as you go through.

Sean Mice: 00:06:21

And I hear you saying that, you know, and the thing, I've watched you for a few years, right?

Sean Mice: 00:06:26

I mean, I've watched you pretty closely.

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We've done some things together, and we're in close contact a lot, and sometimes I feel like I'm watching you right over your shoulder.

Sean Mice: 00:06:35

And folks, those of you are listening to us right now and you're hearing the interview and talking about it, Tom's a real deal.

Sean Mice: 00:06:42

I want to go back to something that you said earlier.

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You said, hey, I never thought I was that smart.

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God's done all of this.

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And obviously I want to give God all of the credit.

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But, but let me say this.

Sean Mice: 00:06:54

When I work with you, I perceive you as being very, very smart.

Sean Mice: 00:06:58

Like, like your, your insight and intelligence and like wisdom when it comes to the things of the world in the things in business and strategy is, is just off the charts.

Sean Mice: 00:07:09

That's how I've always perceived it.

Sean Mice: 00:07:11

And whether that's your natural smarts or that's God's working through you, that's, that's the piece that I saw.

Sean Mice: 00:07:17

And, and, and so I just, I really appreciate your humility, Tom.

Sean Mice: 00:07:20

I really do.

Thomas Chapel: 00:07:21

Well, I can, I can tell you that that kind of came for, you know, God asked me at one point in my life.

Thomas Chapel: 00:07:31

He.

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He gave me a dream where I saw two tables and I was standing in front of them.

Thomas Chapel: 00:07:38

And he said, choose what you want.

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And one was world, worldly riches and everything that I could want, and the other was just this pile of books and everything that represented knowledge and wisdom.

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And I said, well, I'll choose this knowledge and wisdom 1.

Thomas Chapel: 00:07:53

And, and inside, you know, it was again, because it was a dream.

Thomas Chapel: 00:07:57

Inside it was kind of this point of, you know, why did you choose this?

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:02

You know, because what, what was said immediately afterwards is that so what will be so.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:09

And, and I'll.

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And so in my still dream state, I was like, well, why did I ask.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:14

Why did I ask for that?

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:15

I mean, I could have got to the end goal or, or this.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:20

And what I realized, I Didn't realize it as a kid because that's whenever it happened.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:25

I was 15 at the time.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:29

It happened this way because this is what makes you.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:33

It's the things that you go through that make you.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:37

I just went through a lot of things.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:39

More things than what a lot of people go through.

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A lot of tragedies, a lot of things that I saw and did and.

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And all.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:46

So I always tell people, if you ever ask, it's like asking for patience, you better be careful, because you're gonna get the opposite of what patience is so that you develop.

Thomas Chapel: 00:08:59

Well, I gained the wisdom and knowledge that God has given me, not because of Tom's sake, but because of the path that God put me on to get that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:09:09

So be careful, because when you have to earn it in life the hard way, it can be a challenge sometimes.

Thomas Chapel: 00:09:18

So I give God all the credit for that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:09:21

He really poured himself into my life.

Thomas Chapel: 00:09:23

And that's why, at this point in time, like you, Sean, I'm trying to spend my life giving back into others so they don't have to live what I had to live out.

Sean Mice: 00:09:35

You know, what a great way to look at the challenges that we go through in life.

Sean Mice: 00:09:40

You know, I think sometimes it's easy for us to, you know, look at a challenge.

Sean Mice: 00:09:44

We go, man, that's just an enemy.

Sean Mice: 00:09:45

You know, that's just warfare from the enemy.

Sean Mice: 00:09:47

Or, you know, we might even look at God and say, man, God, you.

Sean Mice: 00:09:51

You gave this to me, or you allowed this thing to happen to me, and this is really rough, and why does it happen to me?

Sean Mice: 00:09:56

But yet, if we look at the fact that if we never had any resistance, it'd be like trying to gain muscles without going to the gym.

Sean Mice: 00:10:03

If we never have any resistance, what kind of.

Sean Mice: 00:10:05

What kind of wimpy being would we be when we're, you know, 80 years old and we don't have any maturity to pass on to other people?

Sean Mice: 00:10:12

We need some rough edges to be able to build us up.

Sean Mice: 00:10:16

So just what an amazing attitude that you have.

Sean Mice: 00:10:19

You know, one of the things I was thinking about earlier when, you know, you made a comment about, you know, just.

Sean Mice: 00:10:24

Just.

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And not wanting to be proud about it, but.

Sean Mice: 00:10:26

But being able to, you know, just be a tool for the Lord.

Sean Mice: 00:10:28

You know, I was thinking about being clay in the potter's hands, that the ultimate humility is to say, look, I am just clay and, Lord, you can make me into any vessel that you want.

Sean Mice: 00:10:41

You can make me into a crude earthen pot, or you can make me into a Beautiful vessel, you know, vase that, that would go in the king's castle or anything in between.

Sean Mice: 00:10:52

And, and, and I'm just.

Sean Mice: 00:10:54

I'm just putty in your hands, so.

Sean Mice: 00:10:57

Question for you, Thomas.

Sean Mice: 00:10:58

So we kind of looked at how you got here.

Sean Mice: 00:11:00

Let's look at, let's look at, like right now.

Sean Mice: 00:11:03

So you're obviously in the business and the corporate world.

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You bring Christ to work with you every single day.

Sean Mice: 00:11:08

Or maybe he brings, he brings.

Sean Mice: 00:11:10

He brings you to work with him every single day.

Sean Mice: 00:11:14

And, you know, you and I, we're not in the mission field in, in some foreign country, right?

Sean Mice: 00:11:21

We have a mission field that's, you know, that's in the business world that's touching people that we wouldn't be able to find in a third world country.

Sean Mice: 00:11:28

Right?

Sean Mice: 00:11:30

Tell me, tell me how you walk that out today.

Thomas Chapel: 00:11:36

People are hurting, Sean.

Thomas Chapel: 00:11:39

Everywhere I turn, people are hurting.

Thomas Chapel: 00:11:41

And what I find is.

Thomas Chapel: 00:11:44

And I like to kind of go back, you remember in the, in the Bible where it talks about Paul and they called him the tent maker, right?

Thomas Chapel: 00:11:50

He.

Thomas Chapel: 00:11:52

Do you think that he ever stopped preaching and teaching and showing God's love during the time that he was building the tent, whether it was sewing the fabric or doing whatever it was that he was doing?

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:04

Do you think he quit?

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:06

I can only imagine that he was probably spinning many yarns as he was.

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:11

As he was putting up the tent.

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:13

So if, if you just keep your eyes open and keep your heart listening and watch what's going on around you, you will see all of the people that just maybe need Sean.

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:31

I love you and God loves you, and I'm praying for his blessings in your life, and may he highly favor you this day.

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:43

You know how many conversations that started for me?

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:47

Talk about a conversation starter.

Sean Mice: 00:12:49

Yeah, yeah, that's.

Sean Mice: 00:12:50

That's.

Sean Mice: 00:12:50

That's powerful.

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:52

And, and that led me going into.

Thomas Chapel: 00:12:54

Whenever I used to teach at the university, I had, there was many Christians that were there.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:01

They got actually jealous and angry that I would pray for the students and I started praying for the professors.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:06

And what.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:07

What the.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:07

What the hard part that the Christians that were.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:10

The Christian professors that were there were.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:13

Were that those professors that I was praying for were agnostic, atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, all these people.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:21

And I would come back every time and say, God, show them your love for them.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:26

And so that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:27

That.

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So that your light might be dwelling inside of them.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:32

And what was funny was the Christians came against me and tried to get me expelled.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:38

Funny part is the people that came were the atheists, the Buddhists.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:44

The Muslims, agnostics, the Hindus, they all came in and said, if you touch this man, I will leave.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:53

And these were people from Oxford and Yale and big time schools that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:13:58

And I, and I was just a nobody.

Thomas Chapel: 00:14:00

I.

Thomas Chapel: 00:14:01

But they held me in regard and, and all because I became that little light and I refused to put it under the bushel.

Sean Mice: 00:14:13

Isn't that so ironic, Tom?

Sean Mice: 00:14:16

You know, Jesus said, a prophet is not without honor except in his own town.

Sean Mice: 00:14:20

You know, in his home town, the people rejected him because he's just the carpenter's son, right?

Sean Mice: 00:14:25

He's, he's, he's just the carpenter's son.

Sean Mice: 00:14:28

In his own town, he was rejected.

Sean Mice: 00:14:30

But he would go into another town and he walked through and people are begging that they would, that he would heal their eyes and that, that they could touch his, his robe and all of these different things.

Sean Mice: 00:14:41

It just feels so ironic.

Sean Mice: 00:14:43

But, you know, here's the thing, Thomas.

Sean Mice: 00:14:44

I wasn't planning on talking about this today, but I'm just going to assume that I'm a little inspired right now.

Sean Mice: 00:14:49

You know, it kind of, it kind of reminds me, and you know, I think we've talked about this a little bit, the current state of Christianity, and I want to say in our country, but it's probably in the entire world right now.

Sean Mice: 00:15:00

You know, people get at these odds with each other over these tiny little theological discussions or, you know, I believe this and you believe that, and this is how we pray.

Sean Mice: 00:15:10

We, we kneel and we pray, or we're quiet and we pray, or we pray and our hands are in the air.

Sean Mice: 00:15:14

Or, you know, like, you know, sometimes people will take one verse out of the Bible and they'll make it into their whole theology and then somebody else finds another one that kind of looks like maybe it disagrees.

Sean Mice: 00:15:24

And now we have war between the Christians.

Sean Mice: 00:15:26

What more would the enemy want than for us to fight ourselves?

Sean Mice: 00:15:31

You know, and, and, and yet God is able to take this thing and put you in front of people that don't believe the same way, the same way that we do.

Sean Mice: 00:15:39

You know, and I think a lot of times Christians also.

Sean Mice: 00:15:43

You know what, I'm supposed to be interviewing you, not going off on a person.

Thomas Chapel: 00:15:46

No, this is fun.

Sean Mice: 00:15:47

This is great fun.

Sean Mice: 00:15:48

Right?

Sean Mice: 00:15:49

You know, here we are, we're supposed to be a light that's not under a bushel.

Sean Mice: 00:15:54

We're supposed to be putting our light out there into the world, you know, and people want to come in and, and say, you know, why are you praying?

Sean Mice: 00:16:01

You know, here it reminds me also so remember when the disciples came to Jesus and they said, hey, Jesus, you know, there's this guy in the other town, and he's.

Sean Mice: 00:16:10

He's preaching about you, but he's.

Sean Mice: 00:16:12

He's, you know, he's.

Sean Mice: 00:16:13

He's not here with us.

Sean Mice: 00:16:15

He's preaching about you, but he's not here with us.

Sean Mice: 00:16:17

I don't remember the details, but they were just basically, you know, go beat him up.

Sean Mice: 00:16:20

And it's not exactly.

Sean Mice: 00:16:21

But, you know, they were like, you.

Thomas Chapel: 00:16:23

Know, should we say they wanted to shut him up?

Thomas Chapel: 00:16:24

Yeah, they wanted.

Sean Mice: 00:16:25

They want to shut him up, you know, And Jesus is like, well, if they're not against us, they're for us, you know?

Sean Mice: 00:16:30

And I think, Thomas, I think this is just a classic example of the concept that Christians need to unite around Jesus Christ and his life.

Sean Mice: 00:16:42

And not all of our pet theologies and our pet political stuff and our pet ideas about money, but let's just be love and Jesus.

Sean Mice: 00:16:54

Well, let's put the light back on you, Tom, because I'm just.

Sean Mice: 00:16:57

I'm so.

Sean Mice: 00:16:57

I'm very grateful that you're here.

Sean Mice: 00:17:00

I can't think.

Sean Mice: 00:17:01

I can think of one other person that would have been an amazing anchor for this, and you know who he is.

Sean Mice: 00:17:06

And he's been my anchor before, and he's been your anchor before, and you've probably been his.

Sean Mice: 00:17:11

And, And.

Sean Mice: 00:17:12

But other than him, I cannot think of anybody else that I'd be more excited about having on.

Sean Mice: 00:17:17

On this anchor.

Sean Mice: 00:17:18

Yeah.

Thomas Chapel: 00:17:19

So.

Sean Mice: 00:17:20

So let me ask you this.

Sean Mice: 00:17:21

You.

Sean Mice: 00:17:22

You obviously mentioned a challenge there.

Sean Mice: 00:17:24

You talked all the way back to when you were 12 years old and you got this inspiration.

Sean Mice: 00:17:28

But there's something that I'm trying to dig at, Tom, and I don't know if I have the right words, but let's say something.

Sean Mice: 00:17:34

In the last.

Sean Mice: 00:17:35

In the last 10 years, something inside of you is.

Sean Mice: 00:17:38

Has reignited and said, you know what?

Sean Mice: 00:17:41

I'm going to go the extra effort for God in my work as if it's a.

Sean Mice: 00:17:45

As.

Sean Mice: 00:17:46

As if it's a mission, as if it's the.

Sean Mice: 00:17:49

The mission field.

Sean Mice: 00:17:51

What could you point back to?

Thomas Chapel: 00:17:54

I think in the last 10 years.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:00

So my heart has always been about serving others and to the best of what my abilities are.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:08

And God put that purpose inside of me.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:12

And I believe that a singular purpose.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:15

We may have a main purpose that draws us throughout our whole life, but we have multiple complementary purposes as we go along.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:23

And at this point in time, you know, God has placed me in.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:28

In this position to really kind the people That I help.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:38

They call me the gunslinger because I can go in and they said you can quickly turn things around.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:44

Right?

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:45

I've been called a turnaround, a turnaround person, different things like that.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:51

But it's always about the same thing.

Thomas Chapel: 00:18:54

And, and the funny part is about it is I tell them that, you know, I have conditions whenever I work for somebody.

Thomas Chapel: 00:19:03

And you, as you being a fellow Christian, you never have a problem with it, but some people do.

Thomas Chapel: 00:19:09

And even some of the government people that I've worked with have told me that they had a problem with it until it happened to them.

Thomas Chapel: 00:19:16

And I said, you have to let me pray about things before I give you an answer.

Thomas Chapel: 00:19:23

Because I said, I said I'm never prepared to just God, God doesn't always zap me and then I come out with, you know, smoking and, and you know, all the magic tricks, I, it doesn't work that way.

Thomas Chapel: 00:19:38

You know, God gives me some inspiration and then Tom has to do a lot of perspiration to make it work, you know, and so I think that the thing that God has put on my heart, these, these last.

Thomas Chapel: 00:19:56

And it's not 10 years, but the last two.

Thomas Chapel: 00:19:59

And, and the reason I say that, Sean, is because you directly influence this is I believe that I'm Joseph for this time, for what I'm doing within the government right now.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:15

I'm, I'm preparing a way and I've been preparing that way.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:20

And I think that we're fictional to see some huge changes.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:24

We've had an administration change.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:25

We're fixing to see some huge changes.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:28

And you know, if you think about it, Joseph was put in a sense of responsibility to store up grain for seven years.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:40

That was not an easy thing task to do.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:43

I mean, we're assuming that there were granaries built.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:48

Most people assume that there was granaries built enough to hold seven years worth of food.

Thomas Chapel: 00:20:53

Honestly, think about how, how impractical that likely was and think about how big Egypt was at that time.

Thomas Chapel: 00:21:04

And to think that they didn't just feed Egypt, but they fed all these other countries that came into Egypt.

Thomas Chapel: 00:21:13

Right.

Thomas Chapel: 00:21:14

So that's where I think I am today.

Thomas Chapel: 00:21:19

Maybe I'm not going to be storing up grain, but there's something in there that, that, that God has put on my heart that I'm going to be doing.

Thomas Chapel: 00:21:26

And I do think that, and I give you a huge amount of credit for this because you really kind of let that part of the fire inside of me after I told you what my dream was with it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:21:42

So I really Appreciate that.

Sean Mice: 00:21:46

Thank you.

Sean Mice: 00:21:46

Thank you for saying that, Thomas.

Sean Mice: 00:21:48

You know, I think that even when I didn't see it, and of course I've known for years and years that God has worked through me in the business.

Sean Mice: 00:21:55

But, but so much of the time I was just, I was just obeying.

Sean Mice: 00:21:57

I was just doing what he told me to do.

Sean Mice: 00:21:59

Right?

Sean Mice: 00:21:59

You called the faith based call, or, you know, do whatever.

Sean Mice: 00:22:02

I mean, that was my big emphasis for probably 10 or 12 years.

Sean Mice: 00:22:04

Just hold the call, teach the thing, be there.

Sean Mice: 00:22:07

And I was just obeying God.

Sean Mice: 00:22:08

Right.

Sean Mice: 00:22:08

And probably about the time that I met you, or maybe maybe a little bit earlier, you know, the Lord started doing much more personal ministry through me, but I didn't even really see it.

Sean Mice: 00:22:19

Like it was an interaction that came and it happened and it came and it happened, and I would see something and I would speak it, and a lot of times I wouldn't even think that it was from Him.

Sean Mice: 00:22:26

Like, I wasn't necessarily praying.

Sean Mice: 00:22:28

Like, you always, you know, you, you, you're always doing right.

Sean Mice: 00:22:31

But I look back on it, when I get some of the emails I talk to people like you, I'm like, wow, God, God's been working through me more, more than I even realized.

Sean Mice: 00:22:40

So that brings me to something I want to share, and that is I want to go.

Sean Mice: 00:22:44

You know, it's interesting you mentioned Joseph.

Sean Mice: 00:22:46

You feel like you're like Joseph.

Sean Mice: 00:22:48

You know, when you were talking about, you know, telling people, look, I need to pray about this, because it just doesn't come out of me.

Sean Mice: 00:22:54

I was thinking about Joseph because when Pharaoh came to Joseph and said, look, tell me about the, the dream, he said, well, wait a second, the interpretation is going to come from God.

Sean Mice: 00:23:06

And I think Daniel did the same thing with Nebuchadnezzar.

Sean Mice: 00:23:09

You know, he had his dream.

Sean Mice: 00:23:11

Daniel said, look, this is, this interpretation is from God.

Sean Mice: 00:23:15

So the thing that's been swirling around in my mind, and I think that this, what I'm getting ready to share is aside from God directing, hopefully directing everything that I'm doing right here in terms of the podcast and some of the things that are connected, but the thing that God keeps reminding me of, that I keep feeling, is that he is calling thousands or hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of Christians right now, like in this fight, this time period, like these last couple of years, and right now he's calling people like you and me and maybe a million other Christians that are involved in business or that are involved in a place where they can share, and he's calling Instead of just calling like a Billy Graham, right, or, or a Joel Osteen or a TD Jakes that, that ministers to like millions of people.

Sean Mice: 00:24:08

I'm seeing right now from the sidelines, I'm seeing that he's calling you and me and a bunch of other people to do these little incremental things that maybe touch 10 people or 100 people, or for some of us maybe it's a thousand or ten thousand, but it's not just a handful.

Sean Mice: 00:24:24

It's like millions of people.

Sean Mice: 00:24:26

And that God in his infinite wisdom is calling millions of people to be a Joseph or a Moses or a, or a Gideon or a Paul or a Peter or an Abraham or an Abraham.

Sean Mice: 00:24:40

And God is doing this.

Sean Mice: 00:24:41

And when I look at that and I go, wait a second, if we take that times a million, wow, that's like God.

Sean Mice: 00:24:50

God's huge.

Sean Mice: 00:24:50

We know that, right?

Sean Mice: 00:24:51

God is exponential.

Sean Mice: 00:24:53

God is just absolutely huge.

Sean Mice: 00:24:54

But when you take him calling perhaps as many as a million or more of us Christians, what happens if we all just walk it out?

Sean Mice: 00:25:03

And we're not doing it for our own self service, we're not doing it for the money and we're not doing it for a placard.

Sean Mice: 00:25:09

We're just, each one of us is having an impact on ten, a hundred, a thousand.

Sean Mice: 00:25:14

And maybe God blesses some of us with 10,000 or even a million people that are able to be touched.

Sean Mice: 00:25:19

But it's not just you and it's not just me and it's not just some of the other people that we're all going to touch in the course of this next year.

Sean Mice: 00:25:26

But it's, it's like a million people.

Sean Mice: 00:25:28

And God sees this huge thing and it's like he's laying out this amazing patchwork that, that is going to lay the groundwork for an incredible, incredible revival that may just happen in the business world through, through business people.

Sean Mice: 00:25:43

It just blows my mind when I think about that.

Sean Mice: 00:25:46

And then I become so grateful that I looks like I'm going to get to be a part of that.

Sean Mice: 00:25:50

And I'm talking to you and I'm like, my goodness, Thomas is a part of that.

Sean Mice: 00:25:55

And how many other conversations are happening right now just like this that you and I don't even know about, but God does.

Sean Mice: 00:26:02

There might be a thousand interviews going on right now that we don't even know about.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:07

Yeah, well, I'd like to interject something into that statement.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:10

So think about this for a minute, Sean.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:13

And, and you don't have to ask the answer this question.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:16

But I would enjoy it if you would.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:19

So who touches who more?

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:25

TD Jakes?

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:27

Joel Osteen Schuler.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:32

Who touched who more or you?

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:36

And here's why I asked the question.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:40

Try to get close to Joel Olsteen.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:43

How close do you think you could get?

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:44

Could you get to a conversation with him?

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:47

Not likely.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:48

TD Jakes, maybe you could get close to him.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:53

Who knows?

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:54

Right.

Thomas Chapel: 00:26:55

But God needs people to do the single base hits, to go out and touch the one person, because that one person will then touch one person and then that person will touch a thousand.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:09

Right.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:10

So who makes more of an impact?

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:15

It's the willing to go do the hard stuff.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:19

The hard stuff is getting out there when no one else is looking and there's no cameras on you and there's no ministry behind you.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:29

Doing it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:30

Humbly listening to God.

Sean Mice: 00:27:34

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:35

And that's what I salute you for.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:38

You.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:38

You, Sean, you talk about business, but we're in the business.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:43

Actually, all Christians are in the business of bringing souls back to God because you've got two choices at the end of the time, you're either going to heaven or hell.

Thomas Chapel: 00:27:56

You know, when you die, this, this and I.

Thomas Chapel: 00:28:00

It hurts me whenever I think about those people that are going to be lost and I might have had a chance to touch them in their life some way.

Thomas Chapel: 00:28:12

So, yeah, that's.

Thomas Chapel: 00:28:14

That, that's what motivates me.

Sean Mice: 00:28:17

Yeah, absolutely.

Sean Mice: 00:28:19

You know, when I think about Jesus and I'll.

Sean Mice: 00:28:21

I'll talk about myself in just a second.

Sean Mice: 00:28:24

Yeah, I talk about Jesus for a second.

Sean Mice: 00:28:27

You know, you know, we look at Jesus as, as he.

Sean Mice: 00:28:29

He, you know, he fed the 5,000 and he.

Sean Mice: 00:28:32

That makes, makes you assume he preached to 15 or 30, 20,000 if you fed them.

Sean Mice: 00:28:36

He preached to him.

Sean Mice: 00:28:37

Right.

Sean Mice: 00:28:37

And that wasn't the only time.

Sean Mice: 00:28:39

I mean, how many times did he potentially preach to 10, 15, 20,000 people?

Sean Mice: 00:28:43

How many times were his words written down?

Sean Mice: 00:28:45

So we look at Jesus as really being a mass preacher.

Sean Mice: 00:28:49

Like Jesus was the Billy Graham.

Sean Mice: 00:28:51

Well, Jesus.

Sean Mice: 00:28:52

Jesus is Jesus.

Sean Mice: 00:28:53

Billy Graham was the Jesus on earth.

Sean Mice: 00:28:55

Right.

Sean Mice: 00:28:55

It goes the other way around.

Sean Mice: 00:28:56

But.

Sean Mice: 00:28:56

But what I'm saying, right, Jesus was a mass preacher for his time.

Sean Mice: 00:29:00

He was a mass preacher for this time.

Sean Mice: 00:29:02

And yet the biggest impact that he had was one by one, he had the 12 disciples.

Sean Mice: 00:29:09

He impacted each one of them, and then they were able to go out and duplicate.

Sean Mice: 00:29:13

But look at the woman at the well, look at the lady that touched his robe.

Sean Mice: 00:29:17

Look at the blind people.

Sean Mice: 00:29:18

They were touched.

Thomas Chapel: 00:29:20

Look at the man.

Thomas Chapel: 00:29:20

He cast the demons out of.

Thomas Chapel: 00:29:22

And he sent him back to his own village.

Thomas Chapel: 00:29:25

Yeah, he didn't say, hey, I met this man that changed my life.

Thomas Chapel: 00:29:30

Yeah, his name was Jesus.

Thomas Chapel: 00:29:32

Think about that.

Sean Mice: 00:29:33

Yeah, yeah, that was personal ministry.

Sean Mice: 00:29:37

So Jesus had world stage and the personal, personal ministry.

Sean Mice: 00:29:43

And, and I'll, I'll say this.

Sean Mice: 00:29:45

You had asked me a second ago, hey, would you answer?

Sean Mice: 00:29:47

And, and the thought popped in my mind.

Sean Mice: 00:29:49

I'm like, man, I'm not the one being interviewed here and I don't feel like sharing this.

Sean Mice: 00:29:52

But you know what?

Sean Mice: 00:29:55

This, this, this interview has a potential to touch a lot of people, so I'm going to share this.

Sean Mice: 00:29:59

You know, I've been through some personal struggles the last six months or so that, that prior to those struggles, I had much more ambition to being on the world stage for like touching a million people.

Sean Mice: 00:30:20

Because when, when I look at, from a math perspective, I'm like, you know, if I can get out there and I can teach more and more people, because in my business, I've taught a lot of people at one time, never a million, but you know, 50 or 100 people, they're able to take the information.

Sean Mice: 00:30:32

I always think of that as being multiplicative.

Sean Mice: 00:30:36

Right.

Sean Mice: 00:30:37

Over the course of the last six months, a number of individual one on one humans, right.

Sean Mice: 00:30:43

You know, on the ground, like literally, personally, local people, have poured into me one on one.

Sean Mice: 00:30:51

And some of the things that God has done through them and inside of me could not have been done in a group meeting.

Sean Mice: 00:31:00

I could have gone to a group meeting and got 30 hours worth of preaching with another million people side to side, and we could have, you know, patted hands and high fives and, and, and rah, rah.

Sean Mice: 00:31:10

But the, the changes, some of the changes that God has done in me, incredible changes in the last six months could only have come through the one on one.

Sean Mice: 00:31:20

And I'll tell you what, Thomas, it has made me turn around the way that I look at things.

Sean Mice: 00:31:25

And instead of feeling like in order for me to have an impact, I have to preach to a million people.

Sean Mice: 00:31:30

Okay, that I can spend 60 minutes with someone one on one if it's God's calling for me to do that.

Sean Mice: 00:31:39

And that is the ministry that God wants me to do at this moment.

Sean Mice: 00:31:44

And that that one on one ministry right now, whether it's 10 minutes or one hour, has more eternal impact if it's what God wants.

Sean Mice: 00:31:53

And he, God has really flipped my mindset about how we, how we impact people.

Sean Mice: 00:32:02

And I, I've now looked at it retrospectively and I talk with you and you're not the only person that comes to me and says that kind of thing, right?

Sean Mice: 00:32:10

And so I look back and I go, God, I didn't even realize I was having that kind of an impact.

Sean Mice: 00:32:15

But one person at a time and I, and it kind of goes back to this idea, Tom, and I'm going to put the spotlight back on you.

Sean Mice: 00:32:23

Look at all of the people that you've touched.

Sean Mice: 00:32:26

Like you said, one blessing at a time, one 5 minute touch, one 1 hour phone call.

Sean Mice: 00:32:31

I mean, my goodness, I remember when I called you up and I'm like, thomas, I need prayer.

Sean Mice: 00:32:35

And you dropped everything for 45 minutes and you talked with me.

Sean Mice: 00:32:38

You put your big brother arm around me over the phone 2,000 miles away, right?

Sean Mice: 00:32:43

That was, that was personal.

Sean Mice: 00:32:45

Let's look at this big God, there's millions of us right here in this country.

Sean Mice: 00:32:49

There's, there's probably a bill.

Sean Mice: 00:32:52

I don't know what the numbers are.

Sean Mice: 00:32:53

There's hundreds of millions of Christians all over the world.

Sean Mice: 00:32:56

Imagine if every single one of us just touched three people a day.

Sean Mice: 00:33:02

If that's all we did.

Sean Mice: 00:33:05

I don't know how many, you know, 200 million Christians in the world or 300, whatever the number is, okay, times just three touches a day.

Sean Mice: 00:33:13

That would be a billion people's hearts touched every single day on Earth, 365 days of the year.

Sean Mice: 00:33:24

And all each of us have to do is whatever God asks us to do three times a day or five times or whatever he calls us.

Sean Mice: 00:33:32

That blows my mind.

Thomas Chapel: 00:33:33

Thomas, just to give you a perfect example of this, and whether you agree with the, with, with the election or not, they say a huge part of that was a Christian movement coming out and stepping in and, and calling forward a choice that, that was made by the people.

Thomas Chapel: 00:33:50

Right?

Thomas Chapel: 00:33:51

So many elections that doesn't happen.

Thomas Chapel: 00:33:54

But this election, it kind of shows you and it kind of like bring.

Thomas Chapel: 00:33:59

It brought to mind whenever I heard that because I always get my news like two or three days later or sometimes through you or to Bob or someone else.

Thomas Chapel: 00:34:07

Right?

Thomas Chapel: 00:34:08

But, but it comes back to that faith mustard seed that, that's like faith of the mustard seed in action.

Thomas Chapel: 00:34:16

Those people, all of those, all of these Christians, they get out and they actually take action into something and, and all, and look at what they accomplish.

Thomas Chapel: 00:34:28

Now imagine listeners out there, you as a business person, a Christian business person, imagine your impact that you can have as you reach out to your customers and to your brother and fellow Christians.

Thomas Chapel: 00:34:47

Think about that impact that you could have Just the faith of a mustard seed is all you needed to take the action necessary to make it happen.

Thomas Chapel: 00:34:59

And I think that's what scares most Christians.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:01

They.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:01

They say the faith is what that they need.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:04

I had faith that God was going to bring me through the combat stuff I had got.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:09

I had.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:10

I have faith today that God is going to take on evangelism radio and expand it into something much bigger than what it is today.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:20

And with my decision, you know, and strategy stuff that I'm, that I'm working on within my business, I see it growing.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:27

I've had people reaching out to me now through some, in some cases through you guys because, you know, people talk and things like this, but also just God brings random people into my life.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:41

But if you don't have, if you don't act on that, that faith action, then it's like leaving the seed out of water and expecting it to grow.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:52

You got to water it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:53

You got to feed it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:55

What's that?

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:56

Water and feeding that watering.

Thomas Chapel: 00:35:58

Feeding is getting in and grinding out through God's word and praying and getting up and putting on blue jeans and work boots and T shirt and something called work.

Sean Mice: 00:36:16

Yeah, good old fashioned.

Sean Mice: 00:36:18

Good old fashioned work.

Sean Mice: 00:36:19

You know, that brings to mind Thomas, you know, you and I and, and by the way, you know what?

Sean Mice: 00:36:25

I just feel compelled to have a big shout out to Bob Thibodeau right here.

Sean Mice: 00:36:29

Right Top Bob Pluto in terms of, of networking and interviewing has been such an incredible impact on my life and I think he has been on yours as well.

Thomas Chapel: 00:36:38

Oh, definitely, definitely.

Thomas Chapel: 00:36:40

Love him, Love him.

Sean Mice: 00:36:42

Just huge.

Sean Mice: 00:36:43

Bob, if you're listening, we both want you to know that.

Sean Mice: 00:36:47

And by the way, this is who I was talking about when I said earlier.

Sean Mice: 00:36:49

If there was any.

Thomas Chapel: 00:36:50

I know who you was anchored to.

Sean Mice: 00:36:52

Call, it would have been Bob Tippeto.

Sean Mice: 00:36:54

Right.

Thomas Chapel: 00:36:54

Yeah, I know.

Sean Mice: 00:36:55

You know, in life you have to make choices and.

Thomas Chapel: 00:36:59

Right.

Sean Mice: 00:37:00

It's okay, Bob.

Thomas Chapel: 00:37:02

I'll be, I'll be listening to your podcast too.

Sean Mice: 00:37:05

That's right.

Sean Mice: 00:37:06

And I think Bob and I, I know, Tom, I'm quite sure that Bob's been my first on some things before and vice versa and all that.

Sean Mice: 00:37:15

We.

Sean Mice: 00:37:15

But, but here's the thing.

Sean Mice: 00:37:16

This is about.

Sean Mice: 00:37:17

This is about networking.

Sean Mice: 00:37:18

And you know, the truth of the matter is you and me and Bob and a lot of other people do a lot of soft networking.

Sean Mice: 00:37:25

Like it's not this big, huge effort, but this small little soft networking that connects the right people at the right place.

Sean Mice: 00:37:32

And it's almost like we're allowing God to do his work through us rather than out there trying to, trying to make all of it happen.

Sean Mice: 00:37:42

But as we begin, we probably should start to wrap this up just so that everybody doesn't look at this and go, wow, it's a two hour interview, so I don't want to watch it.

Sean Mice: 00:37:51

You know, let's make this powerful because there's so much stuff in here.

Sean Mice: 00:37:53

I almost want to leave end up.

Sean Mice: 00:37:56

And I'd like to pray too.

Sean Mice: 00:37:58

But before we do that, you know, maybe end up on this idea.

Sean Mice: 00:38:01

I think that what you just said about the faith of the mustard seed.

Sean Mice: 00:38:04

If every Christian in the world just had the faith of a mustard seed every day, but we, 200 million, 300 million, 500 million of us just had the faith of mustard seed every day, how huge would our impact be if we took our own pride out of it and we didn't have to be like the big bang, right?

Sean Mice: 00:38:25

But that each one of us could just be a mustard seed times 500 million people.

Sean Mice: 00:38:30

What could God do through us every single day?

Sean Mice: 00:38:33

And that's what I felt when I heard from, when I.

Sean Mice: 00:38:36

That's what I was seeing in my mind, Thomas.

Thomas Chapel: 00:38:38

Well, and that's what he commands.

Thomas Chapel: 00:38:40

Think about it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:38:40

What did he say?

Thomas Chapel: 00:38:41

If you had faith of a mustard seed.

Sean Mice: 00:38:44

Yeah.

Thomas Chapel: 00:38:45

You could say that means action.

Thomas Chapel: 00:38:50

It's and.

Thomas Chapel: 00:38:51

All right.

Sean Mice: 00:38:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thomas Chapel: 00:38:54

So you had to have thought and then you had to take action.

Sean Mice: 00:38:59

And without works is dead.

Sean Mice: 00:39:01

Yeah, Faith without works is dead.

Sean Mice: 00:39:03

We have to go out there.

Sean Mice: 00:39:04

We, we can talk all day long about the poor.

Sean Mice: 00:39:06

We can talk all day long about the unsaved.

Sean Mice: 00:39:08

We can talk all day long about giving, you know, meeting three people a day and giving them a blessing.

Sean Mice: 00:39:14

But if we don't actually do it, what's it, what's it all worth?

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:17

Yeah, absolutely.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:18

If, if I, when I became homeless, if I would have not done anything but, you know, I didn't even allow myself to get food stamps.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:27

I went and worked for a food room, hungry, all day long.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:33

So that I.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:33

And what they gave me as payment because I couldn't afford was they gave me food.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:37

The raisin oatmeal power bars.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:39

You remember those?

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:40

I don't know if you remember those, but I can never have one of those again.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:44

I can't even stand the smell of them.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:45

But that's what I ate for the full time.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:47

I was homeless and, and God, you know, helped get me through all that process.

Thomas Chapel: 00:39:52

But what I, what I realized through that piece was if I would have stayed and Just said, God, I'm believing, I'm believing, I'm believing, I'm believing, I'm believing.

Thomas Chapel: 00:40:05

But I never took the actual steps that he put before me.

Thomas Chapel: 00:40:11

You know, just like you said, if you never, if, if you set a goal, but you never go for it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:40:17

Exactly.

Thomas Chapel: 00:40:19

If, if you don't do that, you'll never get there and think about who you're.

Thomas Chapel: 00:40:25

You're not just hurting yourself, you're hurting the very one that could have been waiting at that finish line where it was their weak point and God intended you to help lift them up.

Sean Mice: 00:40:40

This is powerful, Thomas.

Sean Mice: 00:40:41

We could just keep going down this rabbit hole.

Sean Mice: 00:40:43

I'm having so much fun.

Sean Mice: 00:40:44

I really am.

Sean Mice: 00:40:45

This is so much fun.

Thomas Chapel: 00:40:46

And feel free to cut it up into sections all you want.

Thomas Chapel: 00:40:50

Yeah.

Sean Mice: 00:40:53

You know, here's the thing.

Sean Mice: 00:40:54

I want to say this to everybody that's watching and listening.

Sean Mice: 00:40:57

I want you to imagine I probably should have said this at the beginning, just like we probably should have prayed at the beginning.

Sean Mice: 00:41:01

But I want to say to everybody that's here, imagine that you are here with us, right?

Sean Mice: 00:41:07

You're not just on the other side of the camera, because Thomas and I, you're looking at a side by side on the screen, but we're 2,000 miles away looking at each other on a camera, right?

Sean Mice: 00:41:17

I want all of you to imagine that you're in this zoom room with us, that we're just all sitting around a big fire, that we're all in this together.

Sean Mice: 00:41:26

And what would you say, maybe even post in the comments if you were here, what would you say as part of this conversation?

Sean Mice: 00:41:34

Or what are you going to do and go out maybe?

Sean Mice: 00:41:37

Are you going to go out and invite somebody to be on your podcast or your interview?

Sean Mice: 00:41:42

Are you going to go out and do what Thomas said and go up to somebody and say, hey, man, I don't know you, but can I pray for you today?

Sean Mice: 00:41:49

Or are.

Sean Mice: 00:41:50

How are you going to be a part of this?

Sean Mice: 00:41:52

Because we're all.

Sean Mice: 00:41:53

If we're all part of the kingdom of God, can we not go out there and just touch people and you can be a part of what's going on right here.

Sean Mice: 00:42:02

I feel compelled for both of us to pray, Thomas.

Sean Mice: 00:42:04

A lot of times, you know, I'll ask you, or you'll ask me, why don't I open and you close and then we'll wrap things up.

Thomas Chapel: 00:42:11

Amen.

Sean Mice: 00:42:12

Father, I come before you right now and I am just so grateful.

Sean Mice: 00:42:15

Grateful.

Sean Mice: 00:42:16

I was going to say, I'm so grateful that Thomas is Here.

Sean Mice: 00:42:18

And I am so grateful that Thomas said.

Sean Mice: 00:42:21

Yes, that Thomas is here.

Sean Mice: 00:42:22

I'm so grateful, Father, that.

Sean Mice: 00:42:24

That folks are able to hear the wisdom that you've put into Thomas, that Thomas is able to share with us today.

Sean Mice: 00:42:31

I think I got nuggets out of today.

Sean Mice: 00:42:33

It was absolutely amazing.

Sean Mice: 00:42:34

But, Father, I want to.

Sean Mice: 00:42:35

I want to lift up to.

Sean Mice: 00:42:37

I want to lift up everybody that's listening to the sound of this message.

Thomas Chapel: 00:42:42

Amen.

Sean Mice: 00:42:43

That this wouldn't just be entertainment, that this.

Sean Mice: 00:42:46

This wouldn't just be, wow, that was cool.

Sean Mice: 00:42:49

That Tom said something cool.

Sean Mice: 00:42:51

Sean said something cool.

Sean Mice: 00:42:52

I learned something about God.

Sean Mice: 00:42:53

But that this would be interactional.

Sean Mice: 00:42:55

That this would be.

Sean Mice: 00:42:56

That this would.

Sean Mice: 00:43:00

This would be kind of like another commission.

Sean Mice: 00:43:03

Like.

Sean Mice: 00:43:03

Like go out there and take the message into the world, just like Tom and I are doing.

Sean Mice: 00:43:09

Father, I just feel so compelled for folks to feel like.

Sean Mice: 00:43:13

Like they're almost a part of us.

Sean Mice: 00:43:15

Like Jesus said in John 17 that he.

Sean Mice: 00:43:18

That the Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in us.

Sean Mice: 00:43:22

And then Jesus said in that he wanted us to be inside of each other.

Sean Mice: 00:43:27

I don't even understand that, but I'm beginning to feel like that's part of God's plan for all of us to be able to go into the world and to spread the message not just of Jesus, but of love and that light that's outside of a bushel.

Sean Mice: 00:43:42

Thank you so much, Father, that we're all able to be here together today and that you were here with us.

Sean Mice: 00:43:47

Over to you, Tom.

Thomas Chapel: 00:43:49

Lord God, I am so thankful that we got to be on this today.

Thomas Chapel: 00:43:53

And Lord, I just want to pray blessings over Sean Mice today that you continue to bless him, that you continue walking right beside him and when times get really tough, that you carry him across that line as needed, Lord, and that he may be a shining example of what you do to each of us, Lord.

Thomas Chapel: 00:44:17

Lord, I pray for the listeners and Lord, I ask that you help them, Lord, to realize that they should be reflecting Christ inside and.

Thomas Chapel: 00:44:30

And that they are the blessing.

Thomas Chapel: 00:44:32

And that they share the.

Thomas Chapel: 00:44:34

The favor of Christ to others through that love and through that journey.

Thomas Chapel: 00:44:42

And may they know that they must take action.

Thomas Chapel: 00:44:47

And action often just means sometimes listening not to you and to others that are in trouble and just being near sometimes, Lord.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:00

So I thank you for this and I praise your holy name.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:04

And I thank you for this opportunity to be able to speak to those.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:08

All of these people that I love, Lord, in your precious and holy name, may they all be blessed and may they continue to walk in your favor.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:18

Amen.

Sean Mice: 00:45:20

Amen.

Sean Mice: 00:45:22

Thomas, thank you.

Sean Mice: 00:45:24

Thank you for being here.

Sean Mice: 00:45:25

Thank you for sharing this fun and exciting time with me.

Sean Mice: 00:45:31

It's really exciting as well to be a part of something that God's doing right now on this earth.

Sean Mice: 00:45:37

Not just you and me and the people we know, but millions and millions of Christians.

Sean Mice: 00:45:43

I'm excited about that.

Sean Mice: 00:45:45

Thank you.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:45

Amen.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:46

Amen.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:47

Thank you.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:48

I appreciate it.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:48

John.

Thomas Chapel: 00:45:49

Thank you for having me.