Richard Mortimer and Sean Mize: Sharing the gospel from the pulpit and online
Richard Mortimer and Sean Mize discuss sharing the gospel from the pulpit and online. There are so many unreached and unchurched people, and yet we still struggle to touch every heart! Great discussion here!
Transcript
Well, Richard Mortimer, I am just absolutely excited to have you here with this interview series.
Speaker A:You know, you and I go so far back, and, you know, one of the things that I feel like the Lord has impressed me to do is to be bringing people together like you and me and the other people are interviewing, you know, Christians that are putting the word out there.
Speaker A:But, you know, you're so involved online in the online world.
Speaker A:You're a pastor in the offline world.
Speaker A:How do you.
Speaker A:How do you feel about getting the word out online?
Speaker A:How did.
Speaker A:What does that bring for you inside?
Richard Mortimer:It really excites me, actually.
Richard Mortimer:Yeah.
Richard Mortimer:Yeah.
Richard Mortimer:I think.
Richard Mortimer:I think the Internet is a fantastic medium.
Richard Mortimer:I've always been excited about it.
Richard Mortimer: fter I started working, what,: Richard Mortimer:So, yeah, it's coming up for 20 years, but there I have some caveats.
Richard Mortimer:So.
Richard Mortimer:So I wouldn't want to be an online pastor in.
Richard Mortimer:In lieu of a offline pastor, for example.
Richard Mortimer:I think that's wrong.
Richard Mortimer:So.
Richard Mortimer:So, you know, I think.
Richard Mortimer:I think maybe this.
Richard Mortimer:Maybe there's some people who, you know, are in a place where they haven't got a church they can go to.
Richard Mortimer:But even then, you know, it's like, really?
Richard Mortimer:So, yeah, I mean, so I.
Richard Mortimer:I think that that catchment is probably quite small, so I don't really want to serve those people who are looking for an online pastor.
Richard Mortimer:So it's a question of what are the areas that would be okay.
Richard Mortimer:You know, you see, I'm saying according to what the New Testament teaches us, because obviously the New Testament doesn't anticipate the Internet.
Richard Mortimer:It speaks generally, doesn't it?
Richard Mortimer:It talks about principles.
Richard Mortimer:We have to apply the principles to the Internet.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker A:That's huge.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Could we go off on a tangent here, by the way?
Richard Mortimer:Yeah, absolutely.
Richard Mortimer:Absolutely.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:Is it really cold there?
Richard Mortimer:You're wearing a.
Richard Mortimer:Oh, it's not that cold.
Richard Mortimer:The house is.
Richard Mortimer:We just had a new boiler, so actually the house is quite good.
Richard Mortimer:But.
Richard Mortimer:But, yeah, it's been snowing outside today for the first time.
Richard Mortimer:So, yeah, it is cold, but no, I'm not cold.
Speaker A:You're not cold.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay, cool.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So here's.
Speaker A:This is really interesting to me because you're an offline pastor and I'm not.
Speaker A:And I think some people look at me as being an online pastor, even though I'm not a pastor.
Speaker A:But the role that I feel for so many people really fits into that role pastor.
Speaker A:And so then I've Also had some things in my life recently that have required offline, you know, people that, that I probably the Lord has, Has helped me get through with some.
Speaker A:On with some offline people.
Speaker A:So I have had a new realization for how important offline people are.
Speaker A:We're talking about online and you just said, hey, it's wrong.
Speaker A:And you know, my framework and I talked to so many other people is, wow, we have this Internet that's able to reach so many unchurched people that many times would never walk into a church ever, no matter how much.
Richard Mortimer:I think that's different.
Richard Mortimer:I think that's different.
Richard Mortimer:I think if you're reaching people who are not Christians, that's different.
Richard Mortimer:That's, that's a, that's a great area.
Richard Mortimer:So, so really, because I've been thinking about that with my own newsletter, which I've not started yet, because this is one of the things I'm thinking about is like, do you go for unbelievers or do you go for Christians?
Richard Mortimer:So, like, I like your Christian business thing because I think, I think Christians.
Richard Mortimer:I once went to a fraternal at the Metrofront Tabernacle, you know, Spurgeon's Church in London.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Richard Mortimer:I don't know if you've ever been there, but the facade is exactly the same as it was in Spurgeon's day.
Richard Mortimer:But, but the hat.
Richard Mortimer:The church has been rebuilt twice.
Richard Mortimer:It was, it caught fire and they rebuilt it just like it was in Spurgeon's day.
Richard Mortimer:And then it got bombed in the Second World War and they rebuilt it totally differently.
Richard Mortimer:But the, but the, the front is exactly the same.
Richard Mortimer:Anyway, that's, that's a digression.
Richard Mortimer:So they've have paternals there for pastors.
Richard Mortimer:And I, I knew this chap, a guy called Chris Buss, who was, he'd actually been a businessman and he was assistant pastor at the Met Tab and he's giving a talk on Christians in business.
Richard Mortimer:And I went thinking, oh, no, it's going to be, you know, about business.
Richard Mortimer:And when he started, I sort of went, you know, I started to light up because he was so positive and saying, you know, if you've got a businessman in your church, there's things that you can do that you couldn't do otherwise.
Richard Mortimer:If you've got a big project, they can do half the funding of not all the funding, that kind of thing.
Richard Mortimer:And, and, but also they have special kind of needs or requirements or we need to be understanding of their position.
Richard Mortimer:So he gave an example that when he was a printer and some machine failed and they had to work through the weekend.
Richard Mortimer:Now, obviously, as a, as a Christian, as a believer, he would not want to work on the weekend.
Richard Mortimer:So he put it before the Lord and he felt led that he should work and not, but not his work colleagues because he had this principle that not to work on the, on the Lord's day.
Richard Mortimer:He said, well, yeah, you, you stuff, I will complete this.
Richard Mortimer:And he felt that was correct, that he was to fulfill the, the, the obligation that the company had.
Richard Mortimer:He, he did what, he did that, you know, so I thought that was really, really good.
Richard Mortimer:But yeah, so there's this, there's this negative vibe about, about business.
Richard Mortimer:I mean, I think maybe this is one of the problems that Trump's got is because he's from business.
Richard Mortimer:You know, so like the, the Guardian newspaper, which is very left wing newspaper in our country, it says, but no experience of government.
Richard Mortimer:You know, all these appointments he's making, no experience of government.
Richard Mortimer:That's their kind of main thing.
Richard Mortimer:So what, you know, and I think Christians have kind of bought into that.
Richard Mortimer:It's like, you know, I'm a Christian or I'm a businessman.
Richard Mortimer:So I really like the way that you dealt with that, you know, so, so for example, that's a, that's a niche, obviously that, that's there, that, that is, has a, has a, a clean tell.
Richard Mortimer:There must be others as well.
Speaker A:It's really interesting to me, Richard, and this is, this is a lot of fun talking with you, I think, because I'm so comfortable with you, you know, with our background.
Speaker A:You know, one of the things that's really interesting to me is that when I introduced my Christian beliefs into my business, I really expected that it would be a fight.
Speaker A:It would be like persecution, it would be, a lot of people would leave and all of that.
Speaker A:And there's obviously a small contingent.
Speaker A:I get an email maybe once every three months from somebody that will kind of tell me off for proselytizing.
Speaker A:In my emails, which I actually don't believe that I proselytize.
Speaker A:I, I put an offer out there and hey, if you, if you want to come hear about some Christian things, you're more than welcome to, but that, that's about it.
Speaker A:I mean, maybe once a quarter I'll, I'll say something that has some belief in it in an email.
Speaker A:But I mean, I feel like you have to sort of go out of your way, not out of your way, but you have to come to something to really get any kind of message.
Speaker A:And, but yet I Still really expected something along the lines of persecution or pushback or drop in sales, etc.
Speaker A:Etc.
Speaker A:And what, what, what I was so pleased to discover is that there was almost no pushback at all.
Speaker A:No pushback at all.
Speaker A:And over the years I've had, I've had Muslims, I've had Hindus, I've had Jewish people come to me and say, I come to those calls because they build my faith.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And, and unfortunately, Richard, I think that some people out there, some hard line Christians would, would, would have a problem thinking that maybe a Muslim could get anything out of their work because they would think that was sacrilegious, that you would do that.
Speaker A:And for me, I just look at it as my God put this person in my world.
Speaker A:He's God.
Speaker A:If he allowed them to be in my world, who am I to judge?
Speaker A:Christians, non Christians, Muslim, a Hindu, who am I to actually judge?
Speaker A:God's the judge.
Speaker A:My job is to just be the clay in the potter's hand and put the message.
Speaker A:So all of that to say it is I, I have discovered that so many people have said to me, look, I've come closer to Christ as a result of what you've done.
Speaker A:And that means a lot to me.
Speaker A:I know this interview is about you.
Speaker A:I feel compelled to share this.
Speaker A:I had somebody that wrote me one time, this was probably five or ten years ago, it's one of those cherished moments.
Speaker A:But, but they wrote me and they said, you know, you know, I was saved, you know, as I was a child and I lived a good Christian life for years.
Speaker A:But 25 years ago or some long period of time, I don't, It's a long time ago since I heard it.
Speaker A:Let's say it was 25 years ago, I stopped going to church and I, and I deviated and it's been a rough time and I listened to your message today and tonight I bowed at my bed and I made a new fresh commitment.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And, and I don't recall if I had any kind of a call to action in the, the training.
Speaker A:I don't normally do that.
Speaker A:But we look at this opportunity, if we look at that opportunity, that person hasn't been to church in let's say 25 years.
Richard Mortimer:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:We don't have any way of knowing if they've received any messages from anybody else.
Speaker A:Maybe there's no close friend that, that, that is pouring Christ into them.
Speaker A:But here they are, this random Christian dude online that, that is a Christian business.
Speaker A:That is a business person.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm Not a Christian business person.
Speaker A:In my business, I, I, I teach the stuff and I happen to be a Christian, right?
Speaker A:So this person is able to intersect with me.
Speaker A:And in that intersection, they end up being on their knees, in tears, recommitting their life to Christ.
Speaker A:Can, can I in any way look at the great King, look at our God who is judge of everything?
Speaker A:Can I look at that and say, am I doing, am I not, Should I not continue doing whatever he places before me?
Speaker A:And I look at that with you, Richard, you know.
Richard Mortimer:Yeah, yeah, I think, I think absolutely you should.
Richard Mortimer:That's a fantastic testimony.
Richard Mortimer:And I think the reason for that is because you're very authentic.
Richard Mortimer:And that's one of the things that actually, as the church, like, you know, so all Christian, the church are struggling with is, is, it's always been a problem, hasn't it?
Richard Mortimer:You know, hypocrisy.
Richard Mortimer:So people come into a church and they see that, you know, Christians aren't as perfect as they expect them to be.
Richard Mortimer:You know, I mean, often, you know, people who've had pretty rough lives end up being, being believers because, because it kind of get pushed to get pushed to it.
Richard Mortimer:So, you know, so I don't think that's wrong at all.
Richard Mortimer:But I, I think what, what it comes down to is it's the individual's responsibility, responsibility to find a church where there's live preaching.
Richard Mortimer:So, for example, we have this problem in our church where you've got a lot of young lads who will listen to YouTube and then they'll discuss it, you know, and that's all fine.
Richard Mortimer:I haven't got a problem with people listening to sermons on YouTube.
Richard Mortimer:But the crossover point is when they start to think, oh, well, I don't need to go to church because I'm going to do that instead.
Richard Mortimer:No, no, no, no, no.
Richard Mortimer:Because the person on YouTube doesn't know, you know, them, you know, and you know it.
Richard Mortimer:Do not deny the seminary of cells together.
Richard Mortimer:I don't think that applies to YouTube.
Richard Mortimer:I think that applies to physical, you know, worshiping the Lord and, and coming together and, and praying together and hearing the word.
Richard Mortimer:You know, I, I very much believe in that.
Richard Mortimer:So I think what you said is, is saying you've kind of got like a circle if you, if, if you, that's the local church and then the Internet is like, around here.
Richard Mortimer:And that can be a tremendous help for people, you know, because the thing is, it's, it's, it's a challenging thing being a pastor.
Richard Mortimer:What I find is, I don't know how much, how universal this is, but very often you'll find a pastor who's a very good pastor, but he might not be the best preacher in the world, you know, yeah, he loves people.
Richard Mortimer:He goes the extra mile.
Richard Mortimer:He understands the soul.
Richard Mortimer:He speaks to them.
Richard Mortimer:He's able to help people, you know, and people are very open with him.
Richard Mortimer:He's open with them.
Richard Mortimer:And then on the other side, you've got people who are very good preachers.
Richard Mortimer:But then when it comes to talk to them directly, they're absolutely.
Richard Mortimer:You know, the Lord was full of truth and grace, wasn't he?
Richard Mortimer:And.
Richard Mortimer:And it's.
Richard Mortimer:That's a hard standard to.
Richard Mortimer:To come up to where the Lord was perfect.
Speaker A:You know, here's the thing.
Speaker A:I think this gets a lot to.
Speaker A:When.
Speaker A:When Paul was talking about the body, right?
Speaker A:The body has an ear and a nose and a toe and various joints.
Speaker A:You know, the truth of the matter is, Richard, you're different.
Speaker A:You're good at things that are different than me, and I'm good at things that are different than you.
Speaker A:We could even look at the two of us, right?
Speaker A:We could look at what I.
Speaker A:You know, you and I have a lot of leadership friends that overlap, but you happen to be.
Speaker A:You appear to me across the pond to be a really good pastor.
Speaker A:You care about your people, you talk with people, you meet your people, you get out there and you hammer nails on your building and all of those kinds of things, right?
Speaker A:And those are the kind of things that I'm not actually very good at.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:So if.
Speaker A:If I would have a difficult time now, hopefully, if the Lord told me to do that, I would listen to him and obey, but I would probably not be very good at what you're really good at.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And there's probably some things that I'm good at that you.
Speaker A:You would not be good at those things.
Richard Mortimer:Absolutely.
Richard Mortimer:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And I think that, you know, like, even you look at Paul, would Paul have been a really good preacher in his own church year after year after year, or would he have had so much wanderlust like Paul?
Speaker A:Enjoy.
Speaker A:Best I can tell, Paul enjoyed going from place to place.
Speaker A:Why else would you get on a boat?
Speaker A:You can talk all day about.
Speaker A:God told me to do it.
Speaker A:But when you read Acts, I think Paul enjoyed it.
Speaker A:He enjoyed the danger and the risk.
Speaker A:Enjoyed it.
Speaker A:Then you look at Timothy.
Speaker A:So Timothy ran a big church.
Speaker A:Timothy probably wouldn't have done a really good job at doing what Paul did, and Paul wouldn't have done a good job.
Speaker A:What Timothy did.
Speaker A:But together they were able to write some of the best letters in.
Speaker A:In.
Speaker A:In the Bible.
Richard Mortimer:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So maybe, you know, this is just brainstorming with you, but maybe instead of looking at this as like, there's one perfect role for evangelizing online, and Richard has to fit that role, and Sean has to fit that role, and Bob has to fit that role and Terry has to fit that.
Speaker A:What if instead, Richard is able to minister to people that are a good fit for Richard?
Speaker A:Sean's able to minister people just like Paul.
Speaker A:If we read the writings of Paul or Peter or Jesus, different people respond to different messages.
Speaker A:You know, some people respond to John's message of love.
Speaker A:They really respond to that message.
Speaker A:Other people really respond to Paul's message.
Speaker A:Let's face it, Paul was pretty black and white and, and almost legalistic sometimes, right?
Speaker A:You know, you got to do all, like, he would talk against the old law, but his nature, he was steeped in law.
Speaker A:His nature was still, do this, do this, do this, do this, do this, do this, do this.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, when, when Paul talked, this is supposed to be me interviewing you.
Speaker A:I don't know how I got to be talking.
Speaker A:But, you know, you know, Paul even goes through this thing.
Speaker A:You know, I don't do what I want to do, and I do what I don't want to do, and he goes through this whole thing.
Speaker A:You can tell that he's legalistic in his mind, whereas somebody else would not be attracted to that at all.
Speaker A:They would be attracted to the love message.
Speaker A:So, you know, in doing these interviews, and I don't even know exactly why God.
Speaker A:I have some ideas why God has me doing these interviews.
Speaker A:When I think about the Internet out there and all the people that are not connected like they should be, whether plugged into a church.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You know, we could take somebody that's not going to a church for some reason.
Speaker A:What if we used the Internet to bridge the gap for them and, and for six months we ministered to them online, and then the trust finally became enough to come to the service, Right?
Richard Mortimer:Yeah.
Speaker A:What are all the different ways that we could use.
Speaker A:Use the Internet?
Speaker A:So let me ask you this, Richard.
Speaker A:When you think about the opportunity online for reaching on, let's say, unchurched people, because if they're actually coming to your church, it becomes much less relevant whether they're online or not.
Speaker A:So let's look at the.
Speaker A:The person that's not churched for good reason or bad reason or whatever.
Speaker A:I don't want to be judgmental.
Speaker A:They're not churched.
Speaker A:Maybe they're Christian and they're not church.
Speaker A:What do you see as the best use of the Internet?
Richard Mortimer:Yeah, that's interesting.
Richard Mortimer:I'd have to think about that to be honest.
Richard Mortimer:And I'm just thinking out loud, I think, well, there's two categories.
Richard Mortimer:Like you say this, there's people who are believers who are not going to church and there's obviously I see that.
Richard Mortimer:So I'm interested in that group because of what I've seen and people I know.
Richard Mortimer:But I do think they're also a challenge.
Richard Mortimer:So I'm a little bit hesitant whether I'm going to go for them or not because there's usually a reason why they're not doing it.
Richard Mortimer:You know, we've got a guy, he's a lovely chap over not sort of Gloucester way and he, he wants to do open air preaching and stuff and he, he's been doing it for years and years and years and years.
Richard Mortimer:He used to work for the government and he's, he's, he's doing open air preaching.
Richard Mortimer:He's not the best preacher in the world and he's not settled in a church, you know, and I'm thinking, you know, you're not submitted.
Richard Mortimer:So there's a question mark there.
Richard Mortimer:But he's, he's not the most extreme case.
Richard Mortimer:You know, I've seen people who have been hurt by churches or they've got some theological issue that they can't get over and, and what tends to happen with people and OD is they go downhill.
Richard Mortimer:So what I mean by that, if I'm going to be blunt is, you know, they go from a better church to a wor, a less, you know, biblical church if you like.
Richard Mortimer:Why do they do that?
Richard Mortimer:You know, it should go the other way, surely, you know, so there's definitely a lot of scope there, but quite hard to cope with it.
Richard Mortimer:I'm not, I'm not so sure.
Richard Mortimer:I think I understand some of the issues that people have with it when it comes to the unchurched.
Richard Mortimer:That's an interesting one, isn't it?
Richard Mortimer:Because my wife, you know, she's Dutch so she comes from the Bible belt in Holland.
Richard Mortimer:And what's been very interesting to me is comparing her background with my background.
Richard Mortimer:Now my background is not quite, it's not really majority background in, in Britain now.
Richard Mortimer:So there would, I'd have.
Richard Mortimer:I.
Richard Mortimer:We used to do parables and miracles at school, at primary school I was learning those.
Richard Mortimer:And then in my teen years I went to an organization called Crusaders, which has been rebranded Urban Saints, which is a terrible name, but basically it was young boys sort of club.
Richard Mortimer:And they'd go and they'd be taught the Bible and they play games together.
Richard Mortimer:And then they had camps.
Richard Mortimer:And that's how I got into cart racing was through the.
Richard Mortimer:The carting camp, like the Crusaders.
Richard Mortimer:So those people work.
Richard Mortimer:Have got a bit of a church background.
Richard Mortimer:My parents did.
Richard Mortimer:They went.
Richard Mortimer:My mom went to a.
Richard Mortimer:An Anglican school, my secondary school was an Anglican school and my dad went to a Quaker school.
Richard Mortimer:So there's a bit of background.
Richard Mortimer:And what was interesting, we were all kind of converted together at the same time, my parents and my brother and I.
Richard Mortimer:It was amazing story really for another day, but I could see now that the Christian background did have an impact on that.
Richard Mortimer:But when it comes to my own church, most of the.
Richard Mortimer:The men who are younger than me, they've not come from a Christian background.
Richard Mortimer:And what's interesting is they bring a lot of baggage into their Christian walk.
Richard Mortimer:So, for example, being a little bit down on authority, that's putting it mildly, that kind of thing, you know.
Richard Mortimer:So there's obviously a lot more people in that category who've got no church background at all, don't know anything about Christianity.
Richard Mortimer:If you talked about sin, they don't know what you're talking about.
Richard Mortimer:And a lot of the biblical terms they wouldn't understand, like righteousness and those kind of things, you'd have to explain them to them.
Richard Mortimer:Ken Ham's very good at this.
Richard Mortimer:He talks about.
Richard Mortimer:He contrasts Peter on Pentecost speaking to a mainly Jewish audience who knew the Scriptures and he could just go straight for the jugular.
Richard Mortimer:And then you've got Paul on Mars Hill who's dealing with intelligent people, but then they don't know anything and they're saying, what's this, what's his babbler saying?
Richard Mortimer:You know?
Richard Mortimer:And then he used the.
Richard Mortimer:Actually rest was saying to me that.
Richard Mortimer:It does sound like that they, they knew that the Lord had actually blessed the Greek somehow, but they didn't know him, so they called him the unknown God.
Richard Mortimer:And then obviously Paul might have known that.
Richard Mortimer:And then he used that as a springboard and he talked about the Creator and he built it up, didn't he, from there?
Richard Mortimer:So that's kind of where we are.
Richard Mortimer:We're.
Richard Mortimer:We're having to go right, right back, which.
Richard Mortimer:So there's a lot of people doing street evangelism in our area and they're not really getting anywhere, which is very sad.
Richard Mortimer:I pray for them.
Richard Mortimer:And you Know, I wish they would.
Richard Mortimer:I wish the people would listen and, and would be converted, but they're banging their heads against a brick wall, to be honest, which is very sad.
Richard Mortimer:But I think that's the reason is because it's very hard, you know, to take somebody from zero to.
Richard Mortimer:Okay, now you've got a conviction of sin.
Richard Mortimer:You know, that's, that's a long, long journey for most people, isn't it?
Richard Mortimer:You know, so, yeah, definitely, definitely.
Richard Mortimer:I can see there's a lot of scope there, but quite how to approach it.
Richard Mortimer:I'm not, I'm not 100% sure how I do that.
Speaker A:Something I think that we'll all grow into, I mean, the Internet in the whole scope of things.
Speaker A: In the: Speaker A:Richard, if somebody wanted to follow you or get in touch with you online, how would they do that?
Speaker A:What's the best place to find you?
Richard Mortimer:Okay, so thank you.
Richard Mortimer:Yeah, probably best to send me an email actually.
Richard Mortimer:So I'd love to receive emails from people.
Richard Mortimer:I'll give you my, I'll give you my personal email.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's not put that on the video.
Speaker A:What we'll do is, is in, in the inner, in the, okay.
Speaker A:In the, in the about section under the video, we can decide what we're going to put in there.
Richard Mortimer:I'm still, I'm rationalizing website, so it's hard to give a link.
Richard Mortimer:I have to think of one that, that, you know, it's got the, it's got the, it's got an SNL certificate and I'm using it and that kind of thing, you know.
Speaker A:But so, yeah, awesome.
Speaker A:You know, I, I tell you what, I just feel compelled to ask you one final question.
Speaker A:Like if you personally had to pick one people group that you could bring together online, who would they be?
Richard Mortimer:Wow.
Richard Mortimer:Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it?
Richard Mortimer:That if one people group that I could bring together.
Richard Mortimer:I really enjoyed that, that last session we did the bonus session on the speaking event where I kind of laid bare some of my kind of plans and passions.
Richard Mortimer:That reading, that read for the soul, that's something I'm very much, I'm very much.
Richard Mortimer:It's hard to monetize that, but, but I do, I have a passion for that.
Richard Mortimer:So I've been thinking that is like a kind of entry level.
Richard Mortimer:So people who want to grow as Christians and obviously if an unbeliever got hold of that material and started reading it.
Richard Mortimer:I think.
Richard Mortimer:I think that would do a lot of the groundwork that I've just said.
Richard Mortimer:So I'm not saying it's exclusive, you know, but, yeah, reading for.
Richard Mortimer:I think the whole idea of, of saying to people, you know, you have a soul, your body and soul.
Richard Mortimer:What have you done about your soul?
Richard Mortimer:Nothing.
Richard Mortimer:Okay, right now we can start talking.
Richard Mortimer:So that's something that interests me, that kind of, kind of thing.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's awesome, Richard.
Speaker A:It is just been a pleasure to have you here and to get to chat on some.
Speaker A:Some deeper stuff and, and look at how, you know, you and I see some of the things online differently, you know, and there's.
Speaker A:There's probably a thousand different viewpoints out there.
Speaker A:If we each talked with a thousand people, we'd hear these different intersections, which is, which is so beautiful.
Speaker A:And we each get to navigate how the people that the Lord is able to use best us for our.
Speaker A:They're going to be different.
Speaker A:Your people, my people, Terry's people, Bob's people, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker A:And I, I just think that's also very, very interesting.
Speaker A:Any parting thoughts before we wrap up?
Richard Mortimer:Well, actually, I, I was quite surprised it's coming to an end.
Richard Mortimer:It feels like I'm just getting warmed up.
Speaker A:But.
Richard Mortimer:But yeah, I want to talk.
Speaker A:Getting warmed up.
Richard Mortimer:Thank you.
Speaker A:Yeah, tell me what.
Speaker A:Yeah, tell me, tell me what it is.
Speaker A:Let's.
Richard Mortimer:Well, I want to talk to you some more, obviously not now, but sometime about kind of structuring my.
Richard Mortimer:So basically substack paid level donations.
Richard Mortimer:How I kind of coordinate all that.
Richard Mortimer:I asked Chat GTP and I got some quite interesting answers, actually from Chat.
Richard Mortimer:GTP is like a framework.
